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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2013, 05:12:02 PM »
Nice play guys... Depending on Bernanke's statements tomorrow, you could do quite well holding...
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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2013, 05:14:17 PM »
Market getting real ugly now, I hope for a good drop this week. INDU to the MA50

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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2013, 05:14:58 PM »
Nice play guys... Depending on Bernanke's statements tomorrow, you could do quite well holding...

What time he is going to speak?

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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2013, 05:38:26 PM »
Supposedly the news of Italian election brought the market down today.

Tomorrow if Ben Buttcracky opens his piehole it will be about washington to get their heads out of their arses.

And yeah,we still have that gap to fill,maybe tomorrow?
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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2013, 06:21:47 PM »
Supposedly the news of Italian election brought the market down today.

Tomorrow if Ben Buttcracky opens his piehole it will be about washington to get their heads out of their arses.

And yeah,we still have that gap to fill,maybe tomorrow?

Makes one wonder what kind of lies and bullshit he will be peddling to assist the falsified recovery... Could very well reverse the market again...
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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2013, 06:51:05 PM »
Supposedly the news of Italian election brought the market down today.

Tomorrow if Ben Buttcracky opens his piehole it will be about washington to get their heads out of their arses.

And yeah,we still have that gap to fill,maybe tomorrow?

Makes one wonder what kind of lies and bullshit he will be peddling to assist the falsified recovery... Could very well reverse the market again...

Maybe,going to try and dump in the pre-Market,if it goes high enough where my ask will be.Unless it sells tonight in A/H. LOL


I don't think the market will reverse until Friday,unless Washington gets a deal before the deadline(doubt it!). Probably a repeat of the last cliff,get a deal at the 23rd hour,Thursday at 11:59 PM. I think I'll raise the price on my ask come to think of it.
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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2013, 12:44:01 PM »
Looks like this one is trying to get that gap closed!!


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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2013, 12:57:20 PM »
One thing I've noticed with this is it doesn't seem to track with the market real well... It seems to play with it's own drummer...

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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2013, 01:08:56 PM »
One thing I've noticed with this is it doesn't seem to track with the market real well... It seems to play with it's own drummer...

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I found this, I think it's the same for TVIX:
It's more than mistiming the trend, they reset every roll date. That's the whole point, UVXY doesn't following the markets it follows the VIX futures. I agree on the years of practice, but contango and backwardation only take a few minutes to research and understand. That's what you really need to know before you trade VIX products.

http://www.etftrends.com/2012/03/vix-etfs-beware-contango/


It tracks VIX futures. The index is selling each day around 5 % of his front month futures and is buying second month futures .
Second month futures are more expensive than the front month = contango and the index is losing that difference
Second month futures are less expensive than the front month = backwardation and the index is gaining that difference .
Contango and backwardation explain the differences between VIX and VXX or UVXY .
The index has 100 % front month futures only on the expiration day which is the third Wednesday of the month ( each month )
Each cycle has around 20 business days = selling and buying around 5 % each day . Sometimes 21 or 19 days , depend on the month.

If you are holding on the roll date while in contango you'll learn what contango means pretty quick.

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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #54 on: February 26, 2013, 01:15:48 PM »
One thing I've noticed with this is it doesn't seem to track with the market real well... It seems to play with it's own drummer...

 ???

I found this, I think it's the same for TVIX:
It's more than mistiming the trend, they reset every roll date. That's the whole point, UVXY doesn't following the markets it follows the VIX futures. I agree on the years of practice, but contango and backwardation only take a few minutes to research and understand. That's what you really need to know before you trade VIX products.

http://www.etftrends.com/2012/03/vix-etfs-beware-contango/


It tracks VIX futures. The index is selling each day around 5 % of his front month futures and is buying second month futures .
Second month futures are more expensive than the front month = contango and the index is losing that difference
Second month futures are less expensive than the front month = backwardation and the index is gaining that difference .
Contango and backwardation explain the differences between VIX and VXX or UVXY .
The index has 100 % front month futures only on the expiration day which is the third Wednesday of the month ( each month )
Each cycle has around 20 business days = selling and buying around 5 % each day . Sometimes 21 or 19 days , depend on the month.

If you are holding on the roll date while in contango you'll learn what contango means pretty quick.


Thanks "D"... Here is another interesting read...

http://www.etftrends.com/2012/02/volatility-etf-trading-volume-jumps-after-tvix-suspends-issuance/
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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2013, 01:21:14 PM »
This thing is very volatile and moves real fast in both directions lol, so you don't need to stay in this one to long is my advise.
Thanks for that link.

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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #56 on: February 26, 2013, 05:40:41 PM »
Lol what a &)*)(#U$..I had to go and wasn't able to put a stoploss. Close at 5.39 :(

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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2013, 02:32:08 PM »
Back in @ $4.30,should have a pullback tomorrow on the market all time high?
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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2013, 02:55:29 PM »
I am not going to touch these ETF anymore, they turn to quick and I am not able to sit the whole day behind my screen to check how its trading.

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Re: TVIX - VelocityShares - NYSE
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2013, 11:49:14 AM »
52 week low here, once the bears take over this should move up quickly. When will that be is the question. Every time the I think the market is heading down it jumps back up  ???